Comments on: EP129: Immortal Sin http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/ The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine. Each week Escape Pod delivers science fiction short stories from today's best authors. Listen today, and hear the new sound of science fiction! Tue, 08 May 2012 17:42:01 +0000 hourly 1 By: Immortal Sin by Jennifer Pelland « Biology in Science Fiction: Free Fiction http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-13272 Immortal Sin by Jennifer Pelland « Biology in Science Fiction: Free Fiction Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:52:30 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-13272 <p>[...] Listen to the audio version at Escape Pod. VN:F [1.7.5_995]please wait...Rating: 0.0/5 (0 votes cast) Read the Story [...]</p> [...] Listen to the audio version at Escape Pod. VN:F [1.7.5_995]please wait…Rating: 0.0/5 (0 votes cast) Read the Story [...]

]]> By: Jefabasia http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-11532 Jefabasia Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:25:02 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-11532 <p>Nice site thanks! <a href="http://www.gj3kwlkr3sd3.com" rel="nofollow">simple site</a>.</p> Nice site thanks!
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]]> By: Steven http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-10053 Steven Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:01:03 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-10053 <p>I've known someone obsessed with longevity. This is a man with a phd in Chemistry, but the obsession keeps him way on the fringe of academia. This made the story exceedingly creepy for me as it sorta makes me question what other things could cause such an obsession.</p> <p>Anyway, for a story like this that deals with multiple scientific procedures that will take an unknown amount of time to bring to fruition, I'm glad the time lines were vague enough that the story doesn't unnecessarily date itself.</p> I’ve known someone obsessed with longevity. This is a man with a phd in Chemistry, but the obsession keeps him way on the fringe of academia. This made the story exceedingly creepy for me as it sorta makes me question what other things could cause such an obsession.

Anyway, for a story like this that deals with multiple scientific procedures that will take an unknown amount of time to bring to fruition, I’m glad the time lines were vague enough that the story doesn’t unnecessarily date itself.

]]> By: Steven Smethurst http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-8867 Steven Smethurst Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:23:53 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-8867 <p>Really interesting, Great ending too.</p> Really interesting, Great ending too.

]]> By: scatterbrain http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-8467 scatterbrain Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:12:05 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-8467 <p>Reminds me of the ReAnimater films.</p> Reminds me of the ReAnimater films.

]]> By: frostsfire http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-8407 frostsfire Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:08:38 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-8407 <p>I found this to be one of the most provoative escapepod stories i've herd so far, not only because of the heavy themes of Religion vs. science, but because the main character was dun to hate. i couldn't wait for his karma to come back and smack him in the face.</p> I found this to be one of the most provoative escapepod stories i’ve herd so far, not only because of the heavy themes of Religion vs. science, but because the main character was dun to hate. i couldn’t wait for his karma to come back and smack him in the face.

]]> By: Graeme http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-8393 Graeme Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:34:27 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-8393 <p>Great story, although it is hard to believe that someone who is clever enough to do cutting edge research could also be stupid enough to be so stupid in matters of religion. To call his theology naive would be an understatement.</p> <p>I am not sure any Pope would be silly enough to talk about bodies "retaining" souls, either.</p> <p>On the other hand, the character was strangely believable, for all that.</p> <p>SRN, the point is not that giving himself up would get him absolution for his sin, but that it would be a necessary part of repentance: if he was truly sorry for what he had done he would confess to the police. However, confessing would not, in itself, make him repentant. It is very clear that he is never repentant - he keeps blaming his victim rather than himself throughout the story.</p> Great story, although it is hard to believe that someone who is clever enough to do cutting edge research could also be stupid enough to be so stupid in matters of religion. To call his theology naive would be an understatement.

I am not sure any Pope would be silly enough to talk about bodies “retaining” souls, either.

On the other hand, the character was strangely believable, for all that.

SRN, the point is not that giving himself up would get him absolution for his sin, but that it would be a necessary part of repentance: if he was truly sorry for what he had done he would confess to the police. However, confessing would not, in itself, make him repentant. It is very clear that he is never repentant – he keeps blaming his victim rather than himself throughout the story.

]]> By: terry http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7587 terry Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:41:47 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7587 <p>how about some true stories like the time i met the killer of o.js wife or the day i met up with ben ladin or the day i met death in the grassy noll or my wife was a cerreol killer or my husban took the bankroll and left me for dead or my girl freind leaft me for antiono bandaris and merried swartinegger. now those are stories.</p> how about some true stories like the time i met the killer of o.js wife or the day i met up with ben ladin or the day i met death in the grassy noll or my wife was a cerreol killer or my husban took the bankroll and left me for dead or my girl freind leaft me for antiono bandaris and merried swartinegger. now those are stories.

]]> By: party poker com http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7598 party poker com Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:25:50 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7598 <p>This is a great page. And the contents are really that worth reading. I will add this to my own library</p> This is a great page. And the contents are really that worth reading. I will add this to my own library

]]> By: Michael http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7599 Michael Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:38:09 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7599 <p>Lava, you can get it straight from the man himself: http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2006/07/21/thing-a-week-42-creepy-doll/ The MP3 is at the end of the post.</p> Lava, you can get it straight from the man himself:
http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2006/07/21/thing-a-week-42-creepy-doll/
The MP3 is at the end of the post.

]]> By: Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7590 Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:00:52 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7590 <p>Lava, check youtube for several variants, including the live version and a few fan-videos.</p> Lava, check youtube for several variants, including the live version and a few fan-videos.

]]> By: Lava_surfer http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7597 Lava_surfer Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:22:48 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7597 <p>Hey, what about the "Creepy Doll" song? I was expecting to find a link in the show notes. It's been in my head all day.</p> Hey, what about the “Creepy Doll” song? I was expecting to find a link in the show notes. It’s been in my head all day.

]]> By: Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7596 Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:32:47 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7596 <p>And I have no idea what that random string of numbers is.</p> And I have no idea what that random string of numbers is.

]]> By: Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7595 Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:32:23 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7595 <p>Oh, yeah, and when I liked the story, I was gonna say "this is how Mad Scientists are born". And I guess that's still true.</p> <p>I'm... not 100% sure what I meant by it, though. =4a7d3d609129a9296bf7ac0608c2097 </p> Oh, yeah, and when I liked the story, I was gonna say “this is how Mad Scientists are born”. And I guess that’s still true.

I’m… not 100% sure what I meant by it, though. =4a7d3d609129a9296bf7ac0608c2097

]]> By: Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7594 Dave (aka Nev the Deranged) Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:14:22 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7594 <p>Hm. My comment might have been one of the ones that got deleted. Or I might have posted it somewhere else and forgotten. Anyway.</p> <p>The first time I heard this story it was cut off right when the bookcase was about to fall on him. I freaked out, because I was really digging the story and I wanted to know what happened.</p> <p>I finally got a complete copy and some time to listen to it... and this is the non-ending I get?</p> <p>What a gyp.*</p> <p>Ambiguity is one thing. Lazy writing is another. Check out EP131, Hesperia and Glory, for ambiguity done right.</p> <p>(*no offense to any Gypsies in the EP audience).</p> Hm. My comment might have been one of the ones that got deleted. Or I might have posted it somewhere else and forgotten. Anyway.

The first time I heard this story it was cut off right when the bookcase was about to fall on him. I freaked out, because I was really digging the story and I wanted to know what happened.

I finally got a complete copy and some time to listen to it… and this is the non-ending I get?

What a gyp.*

Ambiguity is one thing. Lazy writing is another. Check out EP131, Hesperia and Glory, for ambiguity done right.

(*no offense to any Gypsies in the EP audience).

]]> By: SRN http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7593 SRN Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:55:57 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7593 <p>So he's obsessed with adhering to the letter of dogma and believes everything in the bible literally. But he'd rather rely on not-yet existing technology and build a safe house to avoid hell rather than turn himself in? What's 20 years in jail if your reward is eternal salvation? He never in the 50 + years since his murder had second thoughts? Even, maybe the waitress didn't deserve to die, I've been free for 50 years, I let my self age and die in jail but confess?</p> So he’s obsessed with adhering to the letter of dogma and believes everything in the bible literally. But he’d rather rely on not-yet existing technology and build a safe house to avoid hell rather than turn himself in? What’s 20 years in jail if your reward is eternal salvation? He never in the 50 + years since his murder had second thoughts? Even, maybe the waitress didn’t deserve to die, I’ve been free for 50 years, I let my self age and die in jail but confess?

]]> By: JM Inc. http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7581 JM Inc. Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:47:43 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7581 <p>I liked it. It clearly illustrates the fallacy of being so obsessed with mortality that you forget how good being alive can be to begin with.</p> <p>On a serious note, I'd love the chance to live indefinitely with some technology like the ones in the story, if they came about during my lifetime, so I don't agree with that jibe about the "naturalness of mortality," which I think is probably the other big fallacy about death that most people tend to fall into.</p> <p>Whether or not he’s in hell by the end is debatable, obviously I tend to think of it secularly (“The mind is its own place,” - John Milton, Paradise Lost) though. Still, an excellent story; very dramatic and psychological. It reminded me a bit of "The Tell-Tale Heart" by Edgar Allan Poe.</p> I liked it. It clearly illustrates the fallacy of being so obsessed with mortality that you forget how good being alive can be to begin with.

On a serious note, I’d love the chance to live indefinitely with some technology like the ones in the story, if they came about during my lifetime, so I don’t agree with that jibe about the “naturalness of mortality,” which I think is probably the other big fallacy about death that most people tend to fall into.

Whether or not he‚Äôs in hell by the end is debatable, obviously I tend to think of it secularly (‚ÄúThe mind is its own place,‚Äù – John Milton, Paradise Lost) though. Still, an excellent story; very dramatic and psychological. It reminded me a bit of “The Tell-Tale Heart” by Edgar Allan Poe.

]]> By: SoulPatch76 http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7589 SoulPatch76 Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:28:22 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7589 <p>I enjoyed it. It was creepy and the main character was believable in a weird way. I think the passage of time should have been better explained and I was looking to see how he would interact with the future. The ending was somewhat abrupt, but I do get the point.</p> I enjoyed it. It was creepy and the main character was believable in a weird way. I think the passage of time should have been better explained and I was looking to see how he would interact with the future. The ending was somewhat abrupt, but I do get the point.

]]> By: Niels http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7585 Niels Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:10:50 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7585 <p>I like endings that are a little ambiguous, alsways forces me to revisit what I just heard/read. The story itself, high on moral, not so high on the "scary" elements, not one of my favourites though</p> I like endings that are a little ambiguous, alsways forces me to revisit what I just heard/read. The story itself, high on moral, not so high on the “scary” elements, not one of my favourites though

]]> By: PK http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7588 PK Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:33:05 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7588 <p>Maybe that isn't Escape Pod's lamest story ever, but it's definitely in the bottom five.</p> Maybe that isn’t Escape Pod’s lamest story ever, but it’s definitely in the bottom five.

]]> By: REU http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7582 REU Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:01:24 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7582 <p>The point he most likely died was back before the project ended. When he choked and had no repentance for what he did. 'Cause I doubt he died in Boston.</p> The point he most likely died was back before the project ended. When he choked and had no repentance for what he did. ‘Cause I doubt he died in Boston.

]]> By: SFEley http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7584 SFEley Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:03:49 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7584 <p>Fixed. Thanks, Me, for the heads-up!</p> Fixed. Thanks, Me, for the heads-up!

]]> By: Baus http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7580 Baus Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:27:33 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7580 <p>Oh, wait. sam was being sarcastic.</p> Oh, wait. sam was being sarcastic.

]]> By: Me http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7579 Me Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:27:20 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7579 <p>:)</p> <p>Now, how do I get this download onto eBay?</p> :)

Now, how do I get this download onto eBay?

]]> By: Baus http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7578 Baus Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:24:46 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7578 <p>Another "collector's" mis-edit edition?</p> <p>Anyway, sam, about the ending... the doc's in hell. God always wins. Boowahahah.</p> Another “collector’s” mis-edit edition?

Anyway, sam, about the ending… the doc’s in hell. God always wins. Boowahahah.

]]> By: Me http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7583 Me Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:27:33 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7583 <p>Hi, at about 28 minutes in the narrator ('whoever' he is ) pauses and coughs.</p> <p>Good way to highlight the vulnerability of the human body. nice touch ;)</p> Hi, at about 28 minutes in the narrator (‘whoever’ he is ) pauses and coughs.

Good way to highlight the vulnerability of the human body. nice touch ;)

]]> By: sam http://escapepod.org/2007/10/25/ep129-immortal-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-7586 sam Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:44:11 +0000 http://escapepod.org/?p=245#comment-7586 <p>Can somone explain the ending? Seemed pretty ambiguous to me.</p> Can somone explain the ending? Seemed pretty ambiguous to me.

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